Dogs of War

The new stuff can be found over at bols: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/06/w...aunch.html . I personally like the look of the new stuff and think that some of the stuff is well priced. What are your thoughts on the new stuff and their price?

I think the prices seem a little much, for those who don't want to take the time to do conversions for USD.

Some pictures of stuff have been making the trails along with some prices in Euro's for those not keeping track. After conversions; prices are estimated as such.



Warhammer Rulebook 60€ : $72
Engineer's Measures Set 22.5€ : $27
Warhammer Templates 6.5€ : $8
Warhammer Battle Magic 7.75€ : $9
Warhammer Markers 10.5€ : $13
Warhammer Skull dice 9.1€ : $11

Interesting notes; the new templates look pretty boss; apparently there going to put out a magic deck. This either indicates back to random drawing of cards for spells or that there just going to make a handy dandy deck of cards for reference; kind of neat. Markers and Dice seem to look okay; the engineers measuring set doesn't make sense to me; but I'm sure once we figure out the new war machine rules it will. Anyway; kind of neat to see this. No work as to whether this will be sold as a special Splash release or not; but since they did it for 7th ed. and 5th ed. 40K I imagine it will be.

Is that a collector's rulebook or standard? I remember the collector's/limited edition/really pretty rule for for 7E was $90, and I picked that up quickly.

I'm thinking the cards might be a reference, but the separate book throws me off.

I might pic up the markers and such, and if the templates are of better quality (in terms of durability and not bending) than the transparent gray ones I might get them.

I think I'm going to have to see these in person before I make up my mind.

Why can't I just get a set of orange templates for WFB?

Not convoluted enough?

So with cuurency converter to pound sterling that is about £50 pound mark ! Ben discussing this with friends , this a a bit steep in price compared to 7th . And i know it hass 500 pages etc . but it is still a lot of money to justify buying the book .
may need to show one of my armies to get the dosh

Personally, I'm just gonna go with "Stick with the old 7E" plan. Might be getting out of Fantasy entirely. GW's following the same business model that WotC did with D&D, and that right there is the reason I didn't jump to 4E D&D either.

500 pages or not, $70+ for the rulebook is just a bit much. The magic cards look pretty cool (if they're for reference). Having a separate set to use magic in the game, after having a 500 page rulebook would be an epic fail that only GW could pull off. I'm going to have to say that those templates while they look cool are also a bit silly and might get in the way. Is there anything wrong with using the clear plastic templates we've all been using until now? No.

I intend to buy everything there as it all looks cool. However, if GW tries to screw Dogs of War that plan will be scuppered !

(06-07-2010 08:50 AM)arkfatalis Wrote: [ -> ]However, if GW tries to screw Dogs of War that plan will be scuppered !

You mean they haven't been doing that for several years already?

Assuming the shelf life of the new rulebook is 5 years, $100 (Canadian, for me) works out to $20 a year, which is actually a great price for a hobby of any kind. Heck, even a great, cheap, back of the barn/basement/warehouse boxing club charges at least $20 a month.

New templates, made of metal, with spindley little protrusions to get caught on everything? No thanks, no need to overcomplicate things even more.

As for the cards, if they are just reference for the book, cool enough, but not for me.

I'm still kind of hoping the rule book will be 65$ USD. If the book price is too high people (some anyway) will just wait for the starter set and sell the models they don't want to offset the cost. I am expecting the new boxset to be around 90$ USD.

I do like the dice, but I don't see or feel the need for anything but the book!

Still I might be (and by might I mean will be) spearheading an 8th ed revival in my area and see if I can talk my store into some kind of discount on that tome!

(06-08-2010 09:14 AM)Lord Azaghul Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still kind of hoping the rule book will be 65$ USD. If the book price is too high people (some anyway) will just wait for the starter set and sell the models they don't want to offset the cost. I am expecting the new boxset to be around 90$ USD.

I think you're hoping for far too much if you think that the new 8th edition rulebook will cost only $65 when teh current 7th ed one costs $57.75.
I don't know the exact details on how many pages are in the current rulebook, but there's got to be at least 1.5x as many pages (in full colour) in the new rulebook, if not close to double.

I totally agree with Shane. Us Aussies will be paying in the realm of $120 for it (When going by exchange, we should be paying more like $80ish), and even then, viewing that I'll be using this one book over 5 years I'd gladly pay the $25~ per year for it. I think too many people look at the price and don't take into account they're going to be using it for the next 4-5 years.

If the new starter box really is full of great new High Elf plastics I am not going to be too distraught if a ton of people buy the box for the rules and sell the models!

Yeah, but is it *worth* that twenty bucks a year? If it's not an improvement over the previous edition, then to me it just plain isn't worth a dime.
A'course, I'm the kind of guy who'd rather construct a system that's perfect for me out of houserules and greenstuff than shell out hard-earned cash for something that approximates good. Your mileage may vary.

Compared to other forms of entertainment it is insanely cheap.

Look at movies, books, DVDs, alcohol, electronic gaming (let alone MMORPGS), travel, etc, etc, etc. When you consider how many hours you play in a given year, which might vary wildly for a lot of us, the cost per hour is rather tiny. Even factoring cost of figures in, it is small over the time... especially if you consider the time painting/model building as part of the fun.

Plus, I suspect the mini rulebooks will be popular again. I could easily see people dividing the set into three sections (Skaven, High Elves, rulebook) and selling each separately. It might be for more than the relative fraction of cost, but it will still appeal to people.

Yeah, easiest thing to do is you and a friend both buy a starter box; and trade set's of figs so 1 of you get's a double dose of high elves, the other skaven and you each have a rulebook. No matter how sub-par the quality of the starter set is you still can't beat a 1k+ army for $100 bucks.

1k+ is going off of two sets of NG from BfSP, roughly 1k then you can add in magic for getting near 1250.

Personally the Dwarfs from BfSP were so subpar I wouldn't have made an army of them; but the NG's were totally fine. I made a horde of about 200+ of those things.

As long as the HE and Skaven look 1/2 way decent I'd happily pay $100 for a 1200 point army of them that comes with the rulebook and such.

Plus, depending on the sculpt, it might not be hard to convert the High Elves into Dark Elves. For the spear elves it might be as simple as the paint schem. For Archers, saw off the arms and replace with the repeater crossbows. Even if one army is "Attached" to the body make it harder to do, it might still be doable as the Dark Elves have bits with only one army holding the crossbow.

A lot of CD players did the same to Dwarfs in BfSP. Though Joe is right, the Night Gobbos from Skull pass were actually quite good in my opinion. I wish I hadn't gotten rid of them now.

(06-12-2010 07:51 PM)Swissdictator Wrote: [ -> ]Compared to other forms of entertainment it is insanely cheap.

Look at movies, books, DVDs, alcohol, electronic gaming (let alone MMORPGS), travel, etc, etc, etc. When you consider how many hours you play in a given year, which might vary wildly for a lot of us, the cost per hour is rather tiny. Even factoring cost of figures in, it is small over the time... especially if you consider the time painting/model building as part of the fun.

Plus, I suspect the mini rulebooks will be popular again. I could easily see people dividing the set into three sections (Skaven, High Elves, rulebook) and selling each separately. It might be for more than the relative fraction of cost, but it will still appeal to people.

I didn't say it was particularly expensive. I asked if it was worth that twenty bucks a year. You don't need to be defending the cost of the hobby to me. I've dumped a good twenty thousand into it already.

Yes, that'll be the only way I'll ever acquire an 8E rulebook.

(06-20-2010 07:42 PM)Solaris Wrote: [ -> ]I've dumped a good twenty thousand into it already.

WOW

(06-21-2010 09:49 AM)arkfatalis Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2010 07:42 PM)Solaris Wrote: [ -> ]I've dumped a good twenty thousand into it already.

WOW

After almost 40 years of historic (6 different eras and countless armies), WHFB (at least 8 armies with 4k pts+) and WH40K since it came out in the late 1980s (16 armies currently with just about every option through the editions!) I must have spent at least that amount and probably significantly more!

So this lot will be just a mere drop in the ocean, but another reason for the wife to moan at me if I don't sneak it in when she isn't looking!