I didn't use official Dogs of War models for my Dogs of War army? I was thinking of using Empire Knights as my Heavy Cav and for my Paymaster, Empire Wizards for my Wizards, High Elf Dragon for Asarnil, Empire Crossbowmen for Marksmen and Crossbowmen.
I only ask because I dont want to spend a bunch of money on this stuff and then have people refusing to play against "proxies"
I think 60-80% of all dogs of war-gamers play like this. I have a dogsofwar-pirate-army consisting only of dark elves!
so feel free!
Using other models for dogs of war is not proxying, as there are no models for the generic troops, and most most of the RoR range is discontinued. Most people who choose to play dogs of war are doing just what you are asking about just for that reason: to convert a whole unique army. So no, I don't think you would have any trouble with that, as long as it is clear what everything is.
Everyone proxies, whether it's using that cool figure that used to be a special character as a normal hero . As long as you follow the WYSIWYG rule no one minds. I've even started using battle pilgrims in my empire army as swordsmen and no one cares as long as they know what the unit is and what the are carrying.
(03-14-2010 04:29 PM)M4cR1II3n Wrote: [ -> ]and most most of the RoR range is discontinued.
That's not really true. About half of the Regiment of Renown range is discontinued. And that's including stuff like Witch Hunters and Gotrek and Felix who are only 2 models each.
To be honest though. I think it's fine to use converted/empire/whatever figures for your standard vanilla mercenaries.
I think you're losing out on some of the character of the Regiments of Renown if you proxy instead of using the readily available one's (Except Voland Venators, their price is ludicrous).
But to your original concerns. I don't think anybody would refuse to play against you for well... using what you need in place of what's no there. It's more likely somebody would not play against you due to ignorance about the Dogs of War list (Not knowing that they even exist for instance).
As the others: its pretty standard to not actually use Dogs of War models. My Arsinal is the newer plastic HE dragon, my dwarves are...dwarves, my archers are empire, so are my knights, I think the only 'actual' models is the goblin hewer.
And if the new starter set is HE and Skaven, I'll be rolling the HE into my Dogs of War (or perhaps the other way around)
Yup, I'm pretty sure proxy is the standard for Dogs of War. I mean GW still sells a # of the RoR models, but all the core stuff never had specific models so it's all up to the players choice. I'm using:
Bret Knights-Heavy Cav
High Elf Spearmen-Pikes
Flagellants-Norse
It's just kind of work with what's available and I don't think your goign to meet anyone who will argue you.
That the best thing about Dogs of War. You can field any unit you want -- no matter the race or whatnot. They all count and Dogs of War. Its not proxying. You field a Dogs of War cav unit -- be they Bretonians or Empire -- they are heavy cav and count. Its all in the fluff.
Use whatever you want or need. Mix and match -- even better. Have some Bretonian Knights mixed with Empire, throw in a Elf or 2 and it still counts as a heavy cav unit.
You can model or use anything out there and make it yours.
I personally have modelled some centaurs Bretonian torsos on horses -- heavy cav.
"Except Voland Venators, their price is ludicrous."
I was thinking the same thing! And me trying to start using a Calvary Dogs of War army without him. I'm thinking of buying just a single unit with the V and declaring him the leader and that's that.
Old Skink models using bows= Half-skink bowmen, I nick-name them "Skanks"
Chaos Maurauder Horsemen, with empire archers arms = Light Cav
Bretonnia Knights with a lot of cutting off ridiculous helmet attachments? = heavy cav
Really old Saurus warrior models = Lizardmen Marauders!
Empire Free Company = Duelists. Every trooper has a pistol and some have the Chaos Marauder heads attached.
My fluff is that my Lord Sadirath captured a slave ship with a bunch of Lizard folk during his career as a Privateer (met Drongs and other famous rogues in his travels) and offered them service. In my mind I really think this is the fun of a Dogs of War army, creating something unique looking and feeling characters.
Everyone I've dealt with are fine with it and think it is kinda cool. I hear some tournaments don't even allow Dogs of War armies in them, so that is your only concern I think.
Most mine is proxied, and by most I mean about 80%.
Heavy Cav - GW's old Norman knights
Duelists with throwing knives - DA4something Slav infantry with Sheilds and Javelins
Crossbowmen - DA46 Crossbowmen
Norse Marauders - '85 Norse, with some older minis and some of chain mail wearing Bret men at arms with halberds converted to look vikingish
Dwarfs - well, GW dwarfs, but almost all metal
Well you get the idea. As long as it is clear to both you and your opponent what your models are and represent there should be no problem. I've done pick up games at GW with no issues about proxies for years - and the guys that make it an issue would be the guys going on about some other inane rule or condition that causes you and everyone around you to have a lousy time.
I'm fortunate inasmuch as the local store cleared out its Dogs of War stock at the time I had a little money (the last time as I recall) so I was able to buy things like a box of Beorg's, with three blisters thrown in free.
I also managed to get a special from the online store when they were clearing that out, Midas, Riccos, and Dadallos boxs for some reduced price.
I suppose I can use Midas as a Arch Lector in my Empire army. The pay chest is obviously as important as the war alter to a bunch of mercenaries.
However it almost goes without saying that you'll have to proxy models. Try using Witch Elves as Norse Berzerkers, High Elf and Dark Elf spearmen as pikes (keep the units separate though, you don't want them killing each other during the battle... afterwards, well that just saves on paying them doesn't it? Silverhelms as Dogs of War heavy cavalry (because there has to be one army in the game that wants them) and Bretonnian Knights of the Realm, or Empire Knights. To be honest, I'd say use the Brets and Elves. Empire knights aren't very fancy. I might even use them as Empire Knights, Silverhelms are lovely models, let down by the army book writer who put them as specials competing with Dragon Princes and Sword Masters. Dwarfs as Dwarfs, Ogres as Ogres (although I use Minotaurs that I got as trade for the Silver Skull Empire Standard Bearer). The Empire Free Company box set can be used for a variety of units in the Dogs of War list, Duellists, Crossbowmen, Norse fighters with great weapons. Goblin Wolf Riders are obvious candidates for light cavalry (keep them away from the Dwarfs). Halflings and the Halfling hot pot may require a careful search on ebay though, although if you're good with greenstuff you could probably make a Goblin hot pot of some description.
(03-14-2010 03:43 PM)w3rm Wrote: [ -> ]I only ask because I dont want to spend a bunch of money on this stuff and then have people refusing to play against "proxies"
My favorite response to that complaint is to ask them where in the Core rulebook it says you have to use specific minis to represent specific units.
As long as it's fairly easy to tell by looking at it what a model is representing (tell your opponent beforehand that the Silver Helms are Heavy Cav, but maybe stay away from proxying Kroxigors as Duelists, etc.), it shouldn't be an issue. Anybody who has a problem with reasonable proxies is likely going to have a lot of other problems - you're better off looking for an opponent who wants to enjoy the game.
Hello together,
I'm currently building up a little Dogs of War Army and had to view the ebay prices twice before I believed my eyes! A few days ago (or maybe yesterday, I'm not sure...) a couple of pretty nice painted RoR ended on ebay, with 5 Birdman reaching almost 80 pounds! Ricco and the Leopards were a bit cheaper, but still they seem to get pretty rare. Not to mention the Cursed Company. I would love to use them, but I'm too poor to spend over 100 pounds or even more Euros on a small unit of maybe 12-15 models.
They're the only RoR i currently do not want to prox, because the dwarf and orc and lizardmen skeletons are quite unique, as is the whole unit!
On the german GW Website he remaining regiments are quite expensive too, Voland above all as mentioned already...
But on the other Hand the (more or less) new plastic range helps me alot in the army, 2 nice units of Duelists can be made out of a Box of Free Company complete with pistols while the dwarf box has almost every choice for nice mercenary dwarfs and so on.
So in the end all I want to say is: We are almost "forced" to proxy a few things and that keeps the colourful appearance of the Dogs Of War up, which is quite a good thing!
Greetings from Southern Bavaria (and many excuses for bad English!
)
Morkash
80 pounds! for 5 Birdmen? jees....
I do have purchased several birdmen but not for these prices. almost makes me think hmmm
I'm contemplating selling my old RoR to finance my army. Unfortunately I know the moment I let them go I'll need them again
The rare Regiments of Renown go for loads on Ebay. Birdmen, Bearmen and Cursed Company being repeat offenders. You get ridiculous stuff on ebay like a single blister trying to be sold for $30+.
Truthsayers and Dark Emissaries and some of our special characters also go for insane prices.
My thoughts are, for most of the Regiments of Renown, they are reasonably priced on GW website (Within the realms of GW pricing anyway).
(All further prices in AUD)For example, metal Blackguard cost $42 for command, while $33 for regular troopers (This pricing is somewhat consistant over most metal special units). So for a unit of 10, it costs $75. Alcatani cost $72 for 12, and most of our regiments are $85 for 12.
So it's honestly not 'too bad' in terms of GW pricing. No more than regular metal miniatures in any case. The Venator's being the exception in terms of pricing of course, costing a pretty absurd amount.
I think the problem comes from, they're direct order only, so people can't get them on the cheap like they can others (As they can't get as much discount on them).
I have two sets of the Birdmen, so I could put one on ebay.
I'd be perfectly fine with this, as long as it was WYSIWYG and fairly clear what they were.
It'd really only get mildly annoying with Regiments of Renown and "mundane" units mixed together. There a strikingly different paint scheme, or mild conversions, might be needed. Just enough to distinguish them at least.
Our unique Dogs of War models are cool--especially if you can use colors to tie them into your army's "history"--but they are kind of like chess-pieces: as long as you know which piece is which, the rules for their deployment are still the same.
And, if you have ever led a Dwarf or Empire army, and you have some of those units available, they fit right in as "Special" or "Rare" Choices, already.