Dogs of War

I know I'm new to the forum but any help with improving this list would be great because I'm going to use this list against a long time High Elf player soon so any advice on changes, tactics or dirty tricks would be gratefully accepted.

Heroes
General - Sheikh - Heavy Armour, Shield, Barded Araby Steed, Falcon, Solar Spear & Shining Crystal - 137 Points
Vizier - Lore of the Desert, Level 2, Dispel Scroll & Whirlpool Staff - 135 Points
Vizier - Lore of the Desert, Level 2, Araby Steed, Dispel Scroll, Lamp of Al-ha-dean - 147 Points

Core
Warriors of Araby x 25 - Spears, Light Armour, Command & Imam - 172.5 Points
Bowmen x 16 - Command - 80 Points
Desert Riders x 5 - Spears, Shields, Champ & Musician - 104 Points
Camel Riders x 6 - Light Armour & Command (Banner of the Jeweled Oasis) - 157 Points

Special
Sultans Guard x 19 - Command (Jewel of Mulhaed al-Quyat and Standard of Religous Fury) & 4 Naffatun - 378 Points
Hashishin x 6 - Throwing Knives & Poisoned Attacks - 96 Points

Rare
Onager - 80 Points


Total
1496.5 Points



As said, any help would be most appreciated.
Verezzo

Given that I wrote the book, ofc any list you make is gonna win the game for you no matter what you take!

Seriously though, you don't need both the Solar Spear and the crystal, against most troops you will hit on 2+ anyway (unless they WS5 ofc). I'd rather invest in a good save, since that is something your general is lacking atm, at least if you wanna go up against heroes.

Lamp of Al-ha-Dean is only good if you have a magic missile as you could then re-roll to wound. I'd rather invest in the vial of black sand, use it when he's out of dice and scrolls and those elves at your battleline will die in droves!

I would probably skip the command on the bowmen though, they are only likely to give up 100 pts for their banner as they suck in combat.

Apart from that your list seems okay, not fully tooled, but certainly playable. Simple tactic: Hold him in place with your two ranked units, and flank him with your cavalry, and make sure those two don't die to missile attacks, if you do, you will lose your mobility. Use your Naffatun to panic his units (duh) and whittle them down with missile fire as much as you can, his elves will beat you in combat. Finally, use your Hashishin to marchblock him and disrupt his lines, giving your more time to shoot him.
Good luck and give us a battle report!

Sorry about the delay but...
...we have changed the points to 2250 and a Battle Report will be up soon. M4c, this will be one of the playtest games I do for you so expect that Sunday Evening or Monday.

i cant wait to read ur report, hopefully you make some pics

Sounds great! I'll be playtesting them myself tomorrow. Please note though that I just made an update to the list, so if you haven't downloaded it, I recommend you do.

Yes I have downloaded the new version but, because my camera isn't working, there will be no pics in the battle report. Sorry !

ah, well, i will read it anyway

Same hear, I more interested in hearing how the army fares anyway

So here is the new, updated list:

Lords
Caliph - Martyr's Shard, Amethyst Armour, Shining Crystal - 185 Points

Heroes
Sheik - Battle Standard (Standard of Alhaka), Heavy Armour, Barded Araby Steed - 195 Points
Vizier - Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Whirlpool Staff - 135 Points
Vizier - Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Vial of Black Sand, Araby Steed - 147 Points

Core
Warriors of Araby x 30 - Spears, Light Armour, Command and Imam - 205 Points
Bowmen x 27 - 108 Points
Desert Riders x 5 - Spears, Shields, Champion and Musician - 104 Points
Camel Riders x 6 - Light Armour and Command (Banner of the Jewelled Oasis) - 149 Points
Naffatun x 10 - 2 Siphons - 160 Points

Special
Sultans Guard x 27 - Command (Jewel of Mulhaed al-Quyat and Standard of Religous Fury), Spears and Shields - 414 Points
Mamlukes x 7 - Barding, Command (Standard of the Steed) - 247 Points
Hashishin x 9 - Throwing Knives and Poisoned Attacks - 144 Points

Rare
Onager - 80 Points


2272 Points
(I know it is over 2250 Points but me and my opponent are good friends and don't really care!)


Battle Report will be up soon !
Verezzo

could you write in your report about the army? like what did you like/dislike etc

Unfortunately my friend couldn't make today (he drives me up the wall when he does this), so the game is happening next week. Very sorry - he does sometimes do this.

No problem, at least my play test game went just fine. Will probably make a fewer smaller changes to the list to simplify some rules, but as a whole it works great so far.

Where is this army list? Any chance I can get a peak at it?

(02-23-2010 11:10 AM)Sharkbelly Wrote: [ -> ]Where is this army list? Any chance I can get a peak at it?

My God, how can so many people have missed it:
http://dogsofwaronline.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=198

(02-23-2010 11:14 AM)M4cR1II3n Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2010 11:10 AM)Sharkbelly Wrote: [ -> ]Where is this army list? Any chance I can get a peak at it?

My God, how can so many people have missed it:
http://dogsofwaronline.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=198

Maybe put the link in your signature.

Actually, that's not a bad idea! I will, I will!

Battle is actually happening tomorrow. Horray! Sorry about the time its taken for him to organise himself but we should have at least a highlights up tommorow and then a proper battle report next week some time. Verezzo.

Sounds good, I have been playtesting them myself with pretty good results (good as in balanced).

I find it so annoying when people keep going back on their word but it is happening tomorrow because we are doing at GW and I am going to give him a lift in. So he has now upped it to 2500 Points so expect a new Army List soon and a battle report (shock horror I know ). Sorry about the rather incredible delay. Verezzo.

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Oh and by the way, on a week on Sunday(25/4/10), I'm using M4c's Kislev rules in a 2500 point battle so I'll give a report on that as well.

So first we had this:

(01-27-2010 06:47 AM)Verezzo Wrote: [ -> ]I know I'm new to the forum but any help with improving this list would be great because I'm going to use this list against a long time High Elf player soon so any advice on changes, tactics or dirty tricks would be gratefully accepted.

Heroes
General - Sheikh - Heavy Armour, Shield, Barded Araby Steed, Falcon, Solar Spear & Shining Crystal - 137 Points
Vizier - Lore of the Desert, Level 2, Dispel Scroll & Whirlpool Staff - 135 Points
Vizier - Lore of the Desert, Level 2, Araby Steed, Dispel Scroll, Lamp of Al-ha-dean - 147 Points

Core
Warriors of Araby x 25 - Spears, Light Armour, Command & Imam - 172.5 Points
Bowmen x 16 - Command - 80 Points
Desert Riders x 5 - Spears, Shields, Champ & Musician - 104 Points
Camel Riders x 6 - Light Armour & Command (Banner of the Jeweled Oasis) - 157 Points

Special
Sultans Guard x 19 - Command (Jewel of Mulhaed al-Quyat and Standard of Religous Fury) & 4 Naffatun - 378 Points
Hashishin x 6 - Throwing Knives & Poisoned Attacks - 96 Points

Rare
Onager - 80 Points


Total
1496.5 Points



As said, any help would be most appreciated.
Verezzo

Then of course we had this:

(02-21-2010 05:44 AM)Verezzo Wrote: [ -> ]So here is the new, updated list:

Lords
Caliph - Martyr's Shard, Amethyst Armour, Shining Crystal - 185 Points

Heroes
Sheik - Battle Standard (Standard of Alhaka), Heavy Armour, Barded Araby Steed - 195 Points
Vizier - Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Whirlpool Staff - 135 Points
Vizier - Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Vial of Black Sand, Araby Steed - 147 Points

Core
Warriors of Araby x 30 - Spears, Light Armour, Command and Imam - 205 Points
Bowmen x 27 - 108 Points
Desert Riders x 5 - Spears, Shields, Champion and Musician - 104 Points
Camel Riders x 6 - Light Armour and Command (Banner of the Jewelled Oasis) - 149 Points
Naffatun x 10 - 2 Siphons - 160 Points

Special
Sultans Guard x 27 - Command (Jewel of Mulhaed al-Quyat and Standard of Religous Fury), Spears and Shields - 414 Points
Mamlukes x 7 - Barding, Command (Standard of the Steed) - 247 Points
Hashishin x 9 - Throwing Knives and Poisoned Attacks - 144 Points

Rare
Onager - 80 Points


2272 Points
(I know it is over 2250 Points but me and my opponent are good friends and don't really care!)


Battle Report will be up soon !
Verezzo

And now, we are going to have this :
Lords
Sultan - Amethyst Armour, Anklet of Ormazd, Shining Crystal - 200

Heroes
Sheik - Heavy Armour, BSB (Standard of Al-Haikk) - 175
Vizier - Level 2, Whirlpool Staff - 125
Vizier - Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Vial of Black Sand, Camel - 145

Core
Warriors x 30 - Spears, Light Armour, Command and Imam - 200
Naffatun x 10 - 1 Siphon - 145
Camel Riders x 5 - Javelins, and Command - 115

Special
Sultans Guard x 35 - Spears and Shield, Command (Banner of the Jewelled Oasis)
Mamelukes x 10 - Barding, Command (Standard of the Steed) - 315
Janissaries x 24 - Heavy Armour, Command (Banner of the Desert) - 305

Rare
Sandwraith - 175
Sandwraith - 175

Total Points - 2448 Points


So the plan is to have the Sheik join the Sultan and his Guard, the foot wizard to join the Janissaries and the Camel wizard to join the Camel Riders. I am going to use the Sandwraith's aggressively but, if something gets into an unbeatable fight with the Elves, use the Sandwraiths to flank and rear charge the elves so that I can easily win the combat. The Mamelukes shall charge up the flanks and I will use the Camel Riders to flank charge his Dragon Prince's (possibly with Tyrion) to slow them down and to fear him. Any advice is needed before noon (British time) because that's when I am leaving for GW. Thanks and once again sorry,
Verezzo.

I would personally play the more MSU approach, but it will be interesting to see how it fares with really big units as well.
However, your Sultan build is illegal, since he cannot wear armour (no option for mundane means no magical), and since he's going in the back rank shining crystal will not have any effect. Lastly, with so many Sultan's Guard he will never need that ward save; I would invest in Scriptures of the Prophet, Mask of Holiness or the Ring of Warding instead, and buy a Title for the rest of the points.