I have a finical concern given that most of the Dogs of War models are so expensive now days and money is tight.
My tabletop group and I were discussing the life expectancy of Dogs of War and the rumor is out that they will no longer be an official army sometime in 2010. Does anyone have any current news on this?
I just can’t justify buying a Dogs of War army if they can no longer be considered an official army in the near future.
I can afford my hobbies within reason but I don't have money to just throw away.
Anyone?
Well, that depends solely on your gaming group. If they allow you to play with the Dogs of War (please spell it out as part of the google project), then it being an official army or not doesn't matter. It only matters if you want to play them in tournaments, and frankly, they aren't much to come with as they are now anyway. So if you like the army and your gaming group will allow you to either keep using the old rules (or our new army book) then yes, I would consider buying a Dogs of War army, as it is the most fun army to play in the game imo.
The most recent rumors I have heard on the subject were from Games Day Toronto where it was said that GW currently had no intention of continuing the Dogs of War army because apparently they dislike armies that have mixed race lists (Hordes of Chaos for example) but never that Dogs of War would not be an official army as many indy GTs are still allowing them.
And as long as your local gaming store/group allows them then who really cares.
There's been no real official word on the Dogs of War for a looooong time now.
There has often been the stock reply, when asked why the reference to Dogs was removed the new army books "We might come up with a new way of fielding dogs, and we dont want to be held back by old references."
If your really worried about the army becoming unuseable, base it around models that can be used in other armies, which would be Empire mainly
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But that terrible day of GW saying the Dogs of War no longer exists may never come and until then you should enjoy earning gold for spilling blood
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I agree - if you're concerned about it - base your Dogs of War army on a race or races you'd be interested in building in the future. My army is a split theme between the elvish races and the dwarves. I'm already a dwarven player, and have always like the look of the elven models. So at worst I've have to convert a few models to fit a legal army and be good to go!
I can't imagine why your small gaming group would care what GW says - it's a valid army list, and even if GW de-supports, you can still play it in your group.
(09-17-2009 01:31 PM)Iron Sites Wrote: [ -> ]I have a finical concern given that most of the Dogs of War models are so expensive now days and money is tight.
My tabletop group and I were discussing the life expectancy of Dogs of War and the rumor is out that they will no longer be an official army sometime in 2010. Does anyone have any current news on this?
I just can’t justify buying a Dogs of War army if they can no longer be considered an official army in the near future.
I can afford my hobbies within reason but I don't have money to just throw away.
Anyone?
As others have said, if it's only for your gaming group. then it's up to them to decide.
Likewise with Tourneys, it's up to the Tournament Organiser to decide (Although, I think with the removal of the pdfs, if Dogs of War don't get an update in a year or two, then I think sadly, they will stop being allowed in tournaments).
So if you want my honest oppinion, it's as such.
You said you're concerned with expensive models, and validity of the army. So don't collect Dogs of War.
With the lack of ease of access to the pdf list, and not having the same cult following as Chaos Dwarves, I get the feeling that if Dogs aren't on the list for an update (Either Forgeworld or GW) they won't be around in a few years as a legal list. Even now, they aren't allowed in 'Ard Boys while Chaos Dwarves are (That's a bit of a slap in the face).
Mercenaries have always been an issue TBQH in Warhammer.
One way to consider is a themed Empire or Brets force is possible.
Thanks for your input folks but I'm still on the fence on this.
The posative thing is as least I'm an Empire player...conversion wont be bad.
I'm going to post another topic now...
I was thinking of mainly using Empire models such as Crossbowmen and Heavy Cavalry. Also cannons and dwarfs and norsemen are simple enough. And who really cares what games workshop thinks as the hiegher up don't seem to give a crap these days.
Very true w3rm I applaud the sentiment you show !!! You are quite right what you say about GW's indifference to our army . I am hoping with the new rules coming out for 8ed and the rumoured 500 pages in the new BRB that they publish a 'Ravening Hordes' type of list for various army books including ours in the apppendix for updates to the new rules .
Considering most of our stuff comes from multiple armies, if they do decide to remove Dogs of War, then at least you can use them in those other armies...
Although you might wait and see about new units for Dogs of War, you can still use the old models, if the officials allow, can't you? Although the other races seem to be getting stronger, our good units can still hold their own most of the time--especially with a little help from their friends!
As an aside i've never really worried about GWs official stance on most things.
If the army construction rules change dramatically, that'd be something even Dogs of War will have to deal with.
But it could be beneficial, as we have the most rare choices of all armies...
What I am more worried about is the new victory conditions. If they require us to take Core rank and file infantry to claim objectives, we are in a lot of trouble.
Being capped at 25% Rare (500 pts) puts a damper on things.
For the new edition, it depends whether or not all a unit needs is a banner, or if it additionally needs to have ranks/be core, ect. I would hate to think we are going to need MULTIPLE units of Pikes to be able to win a game, but with lots of fast cavalry, small units of heavy (medium) cavalry, ect, I don't think it will be as bad.
As for the Rare cap, it does suck hard that so many armies (Dark Elves, Skaven) with ridiculously broken rare choices really don't see a change, even with a restriction that heavy.
For the original question, build it cheap! Don't invest to much into ancient, out of scale pewter models, and as has been said, mix it up.
Personally, I've considered Dogs Of War an unsupported, illegal army for some time, and that is not going to change with the new edition. Hopefully local tournament organizers will let me play, but if not, that's alright, as no one else I have ever played has had a problem with them.
As has been said, if your gaming group is cool with it might be worth considering more.
The other point has been mentioned, base it off or even use, other races troops. I don't know what armies you have, but you could easily make it work. I have a lot of Empire, and I could essentially run a Dogs of War list. Combine that with my Chaos Dwarfs (as Dwarfs), some Dark Elf shades, my Hobgoblin Cav, and some Ogres... and I could probably come up with some decent list. Ogres I suspect might keep their merc role, but I'm not absolutely certain on that, but the reason I suspect so is it'd probably keep them selling (especially with them getting ranks in 8th).
Even focusing primarily on Empire, which would be the easiest, you could easily make a Dogs of War army with minimal to no conversion. The most you might have to do is get piano wire to replace the spears with as pikes. They could still easily pass as Empire spears, as the previous Empire book made it clear that the southern provinces preferred a half pike. So the best bet is consider: would you be happy with an Empire army too? As if you design it right, you could have a "2 armies for the price of 1" that way.
That is more or less my plan when going into tournaments which don't support Dogs of War, to use them as comparable Empire troops and switch armies out. Only two things actually concern me with doing that.
1-Units which I have converted that I like a lot, like my greatsword wielding militia men, don't have a clear unit to replace. They could be Greatswords, but their armour really doesn't represent that, or they could just be a Free Company unit with an unreasonable number of large weapons. Same goes for my Dualists.
2-It would require me to completely switch not just my play style, but my expectations of what each unit is capable of. ie, my Paymasters guard/halberdiers are now NOT stubborn, and no, those Pikemen/Spears cannot take the charge of a medium cavalry unit.
Still, i suppose it would just be a matter of practice and concession.
To buy or not to buy Dogs of War. I say that depends on you. If you are tight on money and dont have a burning desire to play Dogs of War then I say hold off until the next version of Warhammer comes out.
For me its not a choice: I have no desire to play any other army. I have a full Wood Elf army and a Lizardmen army -- I dont want to play them at all. I have more fun with my Dogs of War. (I think playing one of these other armies would make the games to easy and less fun)
Waiting a month and a half will not hurt you. You can always proxy models if you want to play before then. Depending on your group if they will let you or not (most should not mind).
As to how they will do? Will they be legal in the next edition? I look at it this way: If in the Basic Rule Book they include the pike as a weapon then we are good. If not then ....
I will play them as long as I can. Going to try to win a tournament so that I can go to the GW thing in Las Vegas next year with a Dogs of War list.
(05-19-2010 10:45 AM)tarastop Wrote: [ -> ]Will they be legal in the next edition? I look at it this way: If in the Basic Rule Book they include the pike as a weapon then we are good. If not then ....
I don't think that the Pike rules were EVER in the basic rulebook, at least not in 7th, 6th or 5th.
The Pike rules were not in 6th or 7th but they did list the Pike as a weapon in the weapons section of the rules in both editions.
I know its a stretch but hey I will grasp any straw that I can.
I think the pikes are a similar story to Skink blowpipes. We're the only army with them, so they go in our book, rather than the main rulebook.
But I also have a question relating to this thread:
Seeing as my money's pretty tight, could I count on a new Dogs of War Army book to be released? Or has GW decided to give up on them?